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none of them will infringe on the rights of responsible gun owners what they will do is keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people who put others at risk. this is our best chance in more than a decade to take common sense steps that will save lives. >> wow, this is our best chance? unfortunately for the obama administration, not all law abiding gun owners agree, but he didn't stop there. president obama even went so far as to say that his proposals are not controversial. watch. >> none of these ideas should be controversial. why wouldn't we want to make it more difficult for a dangerous person to get his or her hand on a gun? why wouldn't we want to close the loophole that allows as many as 40% of all gun purchases to take place without a background check. why wouldn't we do that. if you ask most americans outside of washington, including many gun owners some

of these ideas, they don't consider them controversial. >> unfortunately, mr. president, some of the measures you're proposing are controversial and will limit the second amendment rights of law abiding gun owners. joining me now to explain is none other than kentucky senator rand paul. welcome to the program. >> glad to be with you, eric. >> and your reactions to president obama's claims earlier today? >> well, you know, i'm still really saddened and disappointed by the whole thing, you know, the shooting was just a horrible tragedy. i have three kids and my heart goes out to those families. i don't know how they can be made whole again. i don't know how you could ever forget your kids being killed at school. that being said, i think it's a mistake for either side to politicize this. you know? the president uses them as a back drop and drama for getting some kind of political will, but my question to the president is call me if any of your reforms would have saved those kids at sandy hook.

if anything he's proposing would have changed the outcome, i would listen to him. i haven't heard any proposal from him or harry reid that would have saved one life. i'm all for saving lives and i think it's a horrible tragedy, but i think it's a mistake to play on these victims and the emotions of their tragedy when nothing he's proposing would change one iota of what happened. >> senator, you bring up senator harry reid, senator majority leader reid,'s going to bring a bill to the senate floor i guess in days, within the next couple of weeks or so. tell us about your plans for that bill specifically? how do you -- will you filibuster? let me ask you point blank, will you filibuster that? >> we plan on making them have at least 60 votes to pass any legislation that may abridge the second amendment. so we will fight tooth and nail, use every parliamentary procedure to stop that from happening. we have a lot of things on the books that the president says he wants to enhance, many of these could be enhanced without any legislation.

background checks already do work. we already have rules and say mental health statistics need to come from the states to the data banks. the ones most p-- i think a lot of things where they could be improved, but none of this would have changed the outcome. the only thing that would have potentially changed the outcome is something that so many people don't want to hear and that's self-defense. that if someone will had a concealed carry and might have been armed they might have had a fighting chance. they might not have saved everybody, but might have been able to save some of those. >> senator, you sent a letter to senator majority harry reid, if i could pull up a line from the letter we will oppose the motion to proceed to any legislation that will serve as a vehicle for any additional gun restrictions. sir, i just want to get this straight. will you or will you not use

the senate floor and filibuster this bill before it goes to a vote. we will filibuster the bill. we won't let them bring it forward because our fear is that once it comes forward, they'll come forward with something that sounds benign in the beginning, but we already have the feinstein amendment that talks about banning certain types of guns. that's inconsistent with the second amendment. and what people need to remember is that most claims are committed nearly 90% of crimes are committed with guns that are bought illegally. criminals do crime. they don't pay attention to our laws. we have laws against murder and we should have laws against murder, but that doesn't seem to be deterring these people. the penalty for murder can be death. it can be life in prison. we have significant penalties for murder and that's not deterring these crimes. so, somehow an extra permit or a fine for buying a gun i improperly is going to stop someone who is a mass murderer? what happens so often, politicians just want to act

quickly, they want to do something and the president is into showmanship. he wants to show people that he cares, but in the end he's not going to do anything that would have made the outcome different. >> okay, sir, so we will have more filibusters that come through the floor. mayor bloomberg is spending 12 million dollars of his personal fortune to stake out a position on gun. can you get a reaction to the big city mayor? specifically, is he a hypocrite? after all he has quite a bit of security contingent that are loaded with guns. why begrudge any famous person like the mayor bloomberg, the president or president's fami family protection. there's enough crazy people out that would attack on right or left. when i can't say why you would be opposed to that for other people, so, yes, many rich hollywood celebrities have armed guards with them at all time and many regular people

who live in a poor neighborhood, who have a business in a poor neighborhood and a neighborhood that may have higher crime, those people have to suffer the vicissitudes of violent crime without protection sometimes because of gun control laws. so, yes, i think there is a certain amount of hypocrisy. >> okay, sir, you know, i love my kimber 911 .45 caliber and browning over/under shotgun. what's your favorite firearm? >> i'm a good old shotgun guy and i grew up not being really much of a hunter or a marksman or anything like that, but i would shoot skeet and still shoot skeet on occasion with friends. >> before i let you go. is the leadership behind you, mcconnell, boehner, cantor, do you stand with you. >> i haven't seen any signs of cracks or fissures in the republican party. one thing about the republican party we defend the second amendment and we also try to defend the entire bill of

rights. some on the left are good with the first amendment, but the second amendment is sort after dirty amendment to them. i think all the bill of rights is the same and they all deserve protection. >> we're going to leave it there, senator rand paul, thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> still ahead, governor john sununu and media mash with brent bozell, and charles krauthammer. and since the white house is closed for tours, we've done it for him. we've outlined government waste that could fund tours for decades to come coming up. [ male announcer ] this is a reason to look twice. the stunning lexus es. get great values on your favorite lexus models during the command performance sales event. this is theursuit of perfection.

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>> welcome back to "hannity." today marks the day 20 of the white house lock out and because the president can't seem to finded $74,000 to resume the tours of the executive mansion, we thought we'd help them with nrcc website and waste list.com. and we outlined three biggest examples. nearly 700,000 bucks on the climate change musical could have funded tours and loans sent to cupcake shops in the u.s. 27 weeks of sturs and third, if the government stopped producing pennies, which makes them more than they're worth could save $70 million dollars, could be 946 weeks of

tours which translates to, get this, 18 years. mr. president, it's time to open our white house. joining me now with reaction is republican congressman of texas and democratic congressman from california both good friends of mine, welcome, gentlemen. congressman, let me start with you, congressman. surely you agree that the people's house should be open and 74 grand is chicken feed for big spending obama. >> i certainly agree it ought to be open. noi i know a lot of my contingency collecting their money, including pennies to get to the white house to do the tour and yes, it ought to be open and many ways to find the money, let's get it done. it's the people's house, open it up. >> eric: congressman golmert, can you believe they're using those tactics for shutting the

kids out the white house tours? >> i sure cannot. because we haven't seen any proof that they're actually saving $74,000. it's my understanding that the secret service has simply been reassigned. if the secret service had been reassigned, that there really isn't a savings. that was what the cost was, we were told. and i know, john and i, we've had our budgets cut 20% over the last three year period. and like i'm sure john is still getting the people tours and still cservice: and the state is still doing the job and i took to the u.s. capitol last week, and of course, i got a parking ticket that we're still talking about. >> eric: i was going to bring it up. but if you want to bring it up, go ahead, sir. >> well, we're still trying to -- oh, i did find out i'm now

told, gee, all of these years you've been paying in the parking meters, you may not have to do that. >> eric: and let me get to the congressman just a second. louie, if you paid that parking ticket? >> we're still -- john, we're still trying to find that we can park right there. >> eric: all right, congressman-- >> nobody's above the law. >> eric: hold on, congressman, if the lt. governor of california did you and the governornater ever close the house? >> it was closed down several years ago when there was no budget. there was a period of time, something like the shutdown of government in washington several years back, yes, it did shut down and that was the reason, there was no budget. >> but, sir, california, 25 billion dollars in the hole. clearly, it wasn't because you were trying to save money by shutting down the state house? >> yeah, well, that's true.

that's certainly true. the other problem, at this point, you have some interesting examples there of what we may or may not think are good expenditures. the way the sequestration works, it's line item by line item and the president has no particular authority to move money from those accounts to the secret service. we could do that and frankly we ought to end the sequestration. that's a task i know that louie voted against the sequestration, as did i. it's really not a good way to run the government or to reduce government spending. >> eric: congressman gohmert, what is the sequestration? why are the national parks the first to get closed? why is the white house closing its doors to tourists? what's this really about? >> well, it certainly looks like since there are other place toss save money, even with the restriction of the sequester, it's the washington

monument closure, and one individual said i'm going to try to make this hurt the least i can. the e-mail came back, no, your boss, the president said people are going to hurt so don't do anything that conflicts with that because there are ways to get around this, without having to make people suffer, and closing the f.a.a. towers. but john is right, the sequestration was not the way to do it. that's no way to govern. it's no way to appropriate, but i'm sure if you put john in charge of the white house, the way he took over executive insurance company when they were broke, he'd figure out a way to make it work. i know i would have. >> eric: congressman, we just outlined, i don't know, 30 or 40 years of white house tourism in a matter of minutes. what say you? >> well, there's always places to cut. and what we need to do as members of congress, to look for programs, is the program necessary. if he so, is it operating effectively and efficiently? if not how can you make it change to make it hop and

being efficient and effective. that's our task and ni know when i was there, awas at the department of interior and we did shut down all of the national parks when we shut down the government, but it's our task, all of us in government to look for things to make them efficient and effective. >> we're going to leave it there, a good note to leave it on. thank you, guys. let's not forget i offered to pay to open the tours. remember the hashtag open other wh, trending on twitter. press secretary jay carney called me the next day. i'll double down. jay, my man, call me, i'll get those doors open. your move, and brent bozell is back and charles krauthammer stops by. and while the recession may have ended thanks to president obama's entitlement society, food stamp usage is soaring in america. governor john sununu is

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>> welcome back to "hannity," a stunning report by the wall street journal revealed although the recession ended in 2009, the number of americans who rely on food stamps is at an all-time high in 2013, incredibly under president obama, nearly 48 million americans are enrolled in the federal assistance program. that's a 70% increase since he took office and despite indications that the economy is finally improving, those numbers are not likely to drop. why? because in president obama's entitlement society, americans are encouraged to rely on government handouts. here with reaction is former new hampshire governor, governor john sununu. any surprise, disability, food stamps, medicaid, keep growing and growing and growing? >> well, look, first, before we even get into details, let's remind ourselves that the left and the liberal press

are going to make any discussion of this issue politically incorrect. we're going to be accused of being anti-immigrant, anti-poor, racist, anti-elderly. if we get into the details of this, and we better be prepared for that. now, having said that, there's a growth of 20 million americans on food stamps. it's possible for two reasons, one, an absolute failure of the obama administration in doing anything to fix this economy. or perhaps, two, they have encouraged people to come on that in the past were not considered eligible or didn't feel they needed to use their eligibility. either one of those two reasons is really not a good reason to allow this entitlement program to grow the way it is. but it's not the only one that's growing. we've got 14 million people receiving checks from the federal government under disability programs. all of the entitlement

structures that are out there have grown from 50 to 100% under the obama administration. >> governor, i'm glad you brought that disability issue up, 14 million people every month receiving a check, but that's federal. there's an important distinction there because when it's food stamps or other forms of welfare, the state bears the burden with the feds, in this case the taxpayer. >> it's still taxpayer money. >> eric: i agree, but my point is when it goes to the disability claims, that's all feds, that's all pure 100% taxpayer whether you live in california. >> that's correct. >> eric: receiving in new york or not. >> that's right. look, the point is, is that we have reached a point, i think, in our society where people are more and more willing to go running and looking for the kinds of programs that they can dip their hands into. that doesn't mean that the safety net that's there shouldn't be continued.

the safety net part of it is important to have, but beyond the safety net part of it i can't believe there are folks out there who don't understand that there are some people who are becoming addicted to this process. an interesting station, cbs 21 in pennsylvania had a story on-- they went and looked at how much assistance someone could get out of the federal government. a single parent with two kids making $28,000 a year, they found, can get over $80,000 a year in assistance, quite easily under federal programs. the you get addicted to that if you're involved in it. >> eric: right. governor, you mentioned the left will call you out, will make attacks on you if you even question the president or some of the programs that he's involved with. you question the president and remember what bill maher tweeted about you, let's look at that. he said, there it is, john

sununu says that-- >> i can't see. >> eric: john sununu says that he's lazy and not that bright and i can't believe he perpetuate the stereo type that john sununu is a racist fat begins with an f. >> and we were talking about why he wasn't prorl prepared for the first debate. having gone through dozens and dozens of debate preparations in politics and certainly a few of them for presidents. there is a tendency for people who have a tendency to laziness not to do their homework and the point i was making is, there was in my opinion a good reason the president did not come prepared to the first debate and that's because he really didn't do his homework. >> eric: you do a good point, that the president himself called himself lazy. can we roll that clip? >> what's the trait you most deplore in yourself and the trait you most deplore in

others? >> laziness. >> you're lazy? >> it's interesting, there is a deep down under all the work i do, i think there's a laziness in me, i mean, it's been probably from, you know, growing up in , it's sunny outside and sitting on the beach. >> sounds good to me. >> eric: i guess were you repeating what he said, right, sir? (laughter) roger ailes and i both repeated what he said. >> eric: all right, all right. we are a going to leave it there. governor sununu, thanks for joining us tonight. all right, ahead you'll hear from charles krauthammer and brent bozell is back with media mash including indications that anti-semitism is growing opposition to mayor michael bloomberg's plan. and a quit programming note we told you about food stamp usage, and next friday night sean will be joined by a

studio audience for a special edition of "hannity," called boomtown 2, the business of food stamps, a sneak peek with peter schweitzer from new york to florida how easy it is to commit food stamp fraud. >> in the store they only had items for sale for up to $12 apiece, but there were literally $400 transactions that were taking place. >> the food stamps to be, he takes like $100 and gives them cash back. >> hey, brother let me get a 12 pack of michelobe in a can? >> over and over again, cashiers and ordinance accepted these ebt cards and ring up for false transactions, indicating that they were selling food products. >> all right, man, thank you very much. like lobster lover's dream or new grilled lobster and lobster tacos. come in now and sea food differently. now, buy one lobsterfestntree and get one 1/2 off with a coupon at redlobster.com.

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put its liberal spin on the news. back with us to go through this week's material is none other than the president of the media research center, brent bozell. let's jump in, a lot to get to. and this is the first sound bite. >> let's get to tmike bloomberg mayor of new york city, there's a level of anti-semitism in this thing directed toward bloomberg. >> no doubt about it. >> i don't think it's anti-semitism i think it's part of big city urban elite, wealthy, you know, elite telling the rest of the little people how to live their lives and i think-- >> the big city jewish man was-- the group in some parts, i think would be different. >> eric: so, brent. they say if you disagree with mike bloomberg, you're an

anti-semmite. >> we need to discuss this, this is the ugly, intolerant left that's taken over liberalism today. a few years ago on i was a panel and at one point it was a media panel and pat buchanan's name came up. and someone said he's an anti-semmite. and one stood up to defend him and the only thing worse of the charge of anti-semitism is a false charge. you saw it there. if you disagree with mayor bloomberg, you're an anti-semite, if you disagree with president obama, you're a racist. so i'm going to accuse them of being bigots and racist. >> eric: if you disagree with bloom barrying, anti-semite, and obama, you're a racist,

nancy pelosi, a misogynismisogy. >> you could have serious disagreements, but you weren't attacked personally for them. this is the radical left that goes for character assassination anytime faced with a debate. >> eric: i have two more to get to. let' roll the next sound bite. >> and he's the mayor of the largest city and has the ear of the president on important subjects immigration and bloomberg has something others don't, a personal fortune, he's willing to spend. today pouring 12 million dollars into two commercials supporting background checks for all gun purchases, they will air in 13 key states from arizona to pennsylvania where bloomberg believes senators are on the fence. >> will you target people,

republicans and democrats, who do not support a weapons ban, assault weapons ban, who do not vote for background checks? will you spend money, lots of money to target them in 2014 in the mid term place? there it is, the mainstream media, david gregory flip-flopping on big spending for a cause. >> amaze, isn't it, if his name was david koch they would have a different attitude. they've spent hundreds of hours vilifying the koch brothers, the vast right wing conspiracy. but with bloomberg because he's now adopted their top issue, which is gun control he's a hero. one point to make, between january and now, we added it up on abc, nbc, cbs, either a part of or interviewed in 43 network stories, he doesn't need to spend a penny.

they're giving him millions. >> eric: roll the third one, please. >> i was really embarrassed by my country, how a limited ability, meant ability, historic ability could talk us at a war, totally against our history. you know, the nuremberg trials were primarily before the holocaust, against people who launched an aggressive war and this was an aggressive war and i had never heard of the united states making a case like that before. >> eric: i'm embarrassed for chris matthew comparing president bush to the nazis. is he out of his mind? >> you see what i mean? eric, this is making my point. they will not have a reasonable conversation. you can disagree with the president's position in iraq, i did, ultimately i did disagree with it. i don't agree with nation building that the neo-cons believe in. i don't equate it to adolf hitler. and to the chairman of the board of comcast corporation, when in the world going to

take stock in the people you hired that are risists and bigots. >> eric: what should they do, let chris mathews go for that comment? >> i think he needs to do some explaining to the people that hired him. is this the voice of nbc? is this the face of nbc, a man who equates the president of the united states to a nazi because he disagrees with him? >> but most importantly, most importantly, he said, his words, i'm embarrassed of the united states. i'm embarrassed. chris, if you're embarrassed there are a couple of countries, i'm sure, that would have you. >> norway, norway, as far away as possible. >> eric: all right. and we had a couple more we're going to get to i guess at another time. of the three, and calling anti-semitism if we disagree with bloomberg or flip-flopping, or the last one, which is the most outrageous. >> alan sharpton making comments about anti-semitism, that pretty much takes the cake. >> eric: we'll leave it there brent bozell, thanks for joining us. coming up, charles krauthammer is here to respond to the

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>> well, the white house he remains closed, but the borders may be opening to illegals. we're learning that the border patrol are leaving areas completely unprotected areas hours at a time due to the sequester. while they say it's as secure as ever, contradicts their claims. and john mccain witnessed a mexican woman climb the border fence only be caught by border patrol agents who happened to be there. and mccain tweeted about it, witnessed a woman successfully climb a fence a few yards from us in nogales and border patrol successfully

apprehended her, but border threats are real. and joining us charles krauthammer. what about it? john mccain and chuck schumer happened to cross the border and see someone try to jump the fence. coincidence. >> either they have excellent advance people who had set it up and hired her or they're seeing what people who live across the border happens all the time. and the point about a fence which we really should have, what you need is a two layered fence which they have outside of san francisco is a three-layered fence and lent to about 90% reduction of infiltration in that area. it does work, but you've got to have it all the way across the border and that's the problem. i mean, liberals, democrats, don't want to do that and for the life of me i don't understand what the argument against it is. it would be the beginning of something very important, because you could close the border on the south. you would get a national consensus that we're ready to legalize the people already

here if they are the last cohort of illegals who will be in the country. >> eric: charles, president obama says that this may leave portions of the border opened, unattended for hours at a time. aren't we saying, hey, between 5 and 8 p.m. tonight you may want to make your way across the border? >> yeah, we ought to be taking out, you know, commercials on mexican television, explaining exactly how to get this and when to cross. hook, this is getting so cynical, i think it really isn't working for the administration. they're trying to make sure that the sequester is used as an excuse for stuff that is completely unnecessary, starting with the white house tours which were canceled. they thought that would work against the republicans and everybody is saying, look, we know how much astonishing waste the government is involved in every year, 3.6 trillion dollar spending. and you're telling me that you can't afford to have tours of

the white house? and they're telling us that there's billions of dollars that homeland security has. it can't cancel a conference here or there and travel here or there and use the money to make sure that the border is not left unguarded? it's absolutely incredible, literally so, and i think it makes the administration look cynical. so as a device to try to scapegoat the republicans, it's not working. >> eric: charles, you mentioned something, you said if they're able to secure the border you would get some sort of consensus opinion about providing a pathway. i don't want to put words-- a pathway to citizenship or a pathway to legalization? >> well, i think if you could secure the border in the way that people are convinced, we have a commission, you get the governors, whoever you want, who will sign off. look, you're not going to stop everybody, but if the river

becomes a trickle and we know that these are the last 10 million, you would surely get an overwelcoming consensus, we're not going to stick them on buses and deport them. we're going to allow them a path that can stay in the country and work and not worry. whether or not you want that it to end up with citizenship, i think it's a debatable issue. i would say that generation who came across illegally, i would give them everything up until citizenship, but i wouldn't include that because i wouldn't give them a path into being a part of our political life, having arrived here illegally, but for the next generation, of course. but i think that's not the important issue. the important issue is can they stay here, and if the answer is yes, so they can live here out of the shadows and in a he decedecent way and o that once you know the border is shut, i think that's a solution the whole country could live with. >> eric: charles, i don't disagree on whether or not the

issue is can they stay here, but i've got to tell you, i'm going to push back a little bit. i think the real issue, can they stay and eventually vote? at least, i think that the left would like to see the latter rather than the former? >> oh, absolutely. for the left it's a way to get a huge constituency under the democratic tent, but it is even under the best of circumstances that we at least 13 years away and who knows how political attitudes, orientations shift over that amount of time, but i do think on principle, everything up to citizenship, but the real issue for the illegals is not whether they get a vote in the year 2030. the issue is can i have my job, stay in the job, not to worry arrest and deportation today. and that's the issue and i would do it in exchange for real enforcement at the border. >> eric: yes, sir, charles krauthammer, thank you, sir.

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>> welcome back to "hannity." it's holy week and in time for easter, sean recently sat down with best selling author steven mansfield for a topic he's been researching for decades. and his new book "killing jesus" is due to hit book stores in may. take a look. >> and the author now of "killing jesus," steven mansfield is back with us, welcome to the program. >> sean, always good to be with you. >> with easter upon us, the thing i take away from your book more than anything else

is we read about religious corruption and there was a lot of it in that day and political corruption and there was a lot of it in that day. boy, does it sound as familiar as what goes on today. that really struck me. >> you know, history is always a guide and for that reason, human nature doesn't really change as i sometimes jokingly say, there was a sopranos type of family ruling the temple, ruling the priesthood at that ti time, the family and sounds like what's going on in the news today. i think that's the benefit of studying these things and paying attention to the path, particularly biblical history. >> i think he said in the introduction, about the smoke-filled rooms and actually conspiring to kill jesus here. and if we look back, historically the bible describes those who didn't like the fact that he was popular and that he exposed them for not doing their jobs. >> well, and that's the

subjects we often don't get to. we christians believe that jesus died for our sins and because he was challenging some precious doctrines of the the priests at that time, but exposing corruption when he went storming into the it temple courts and drove the money changers out, that wasn't him just having a fit at a given moment, he was challenging sort of a syndicate that had been taking over the temple and use it go for its own gain and that was a clear signal. he did it at the beginning of his ministry and at the end of his public ministry. but that small band of corrupt leaders and religious leaders that he was challenging their hold on things and that's part of the story, too. >> you talk about something else happening at the time when jesus entered jerusalem and obviously, we know it through palm sunday, but you say there was something else going on that most people don't know about. >> it's really interesting, and as jesus entered jerusalem on the first day of the week. of course we remember this on

palm sunday. he was celebrated as he entered into the city and he spoke, paused for a moment and proph proph prophetied, and he was coming from the east, coming from was pontius pilate. and made a show of strength because the remans were intimidated by the jews who fled to jerusalem for passover. it was a literatuurgical tradit to come in the gates from the eastern side and declaring war, perhaps, a challenge of two kingdoms and that's a significant part of palm sunday and the week that followed, also. >> as you're writing the book "killing jesus," explain to me, you've written about the

faith of president bush and pope benedict and barack obama and you've written a lot of books and faith is what you're known for and issues of faith and christianity. is there anything investigating this book that you didn't know before? >> i discovered, as i did the research, how really there was a small group of jewish leaders who were correct, who were trying to control the temple trade and who conspired to betray jesus. the idea that the jews as a whole crucified jesus, so to speak or held accountable that's one of the great lies of history and-- >>. >> the bible is clear though, it was those rabbis, those in power, but it was the jewish people that were following christ, christ himself being jewish. >> yes, he was very he popular, in fact, that small correct group of leaders were afraid they'd riot in his defense, in support of jesus and why they tried him overnight and we began to walk

through the city streets the next day, go to galgotha, weeping and wailing and how small a group were anti-jesus and corrupt and-- >> it was really those and so the unknown conspiracy behind this is to look at your submarine titsub title if were you to sum it up. >> a small group of corrupt religious leaders had been hunting for he jesus almost from the beginning. not only trying to kill him in the early days when he was two years old and we know the story of the slaughter of the innocents. and all throughout his life you look at the new testament, conspired to kill him and counseled together how to kill him so it was a conspiracy they carried over through his entire life and public ministry and came together in the events we were just talking about. it's more of a conspiracy than a last minute explosion in jerusalem during passover. >> all right, the book here is "killing jesus," and steven